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water fluoridation problem answer

January 22, 2014

Legal notice to the New Zealand authorities and also to the Taranaki court case people. This is a started re-writing-up of my strong case against water fluoridation totally smashing the pros/pushers basis & BS “reasons” for fluoridating water. The reason i am posting this is because i am sick of being poisoned and/or thirsting/starving and/or having to be disrupted and go to hastles of trying to get watwer from the next town/”city” by foot & public transport. Also i am effected by it effecting other people, though even if i weren’t i also have to care about other people who are also being poisoned since i don’t like no one caring about me. Sorry if this isn’t written great or not finished but i can only do best in hell situation i can and i have to try do what i can to fight them asap. There are also alot of other possible points in my files from past letters etc that i haven’t finished reediting readding yet. (Notice to rest of world please suppport us and boycot NZ until they stop poisoning our water.)


There are (only) 2 sides to this dispute, the pro-fluoridationists and the “anti-“/non-fluoridationists. The pros say tooth decay is the problem and fluoridation is the solution, the “antis”/nons say that fluoridation is a problem and there are other answers to tooth decay. The pros include MoH, WHO, USA, RSA, UK, Eire, Nazis, sceptics in the pub, district/public health board, mainstream dentists, upper hutt, lower hutt, porirua, wellington, masterton, Cory. The nons/”antis” include mainland Europe, [Russia?,] [Nigeria?,] Petone, Korokoro, farmers, all world history before 1940s, rural Wairarapa, (rich) people with filters, people that get water from the artesian well/spring/fount, Dr Mercola, fluoride action network, me.

(1) fluoridation not best solution to tooth decay
(2) fluoridated water is harmful.
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(addenda) “easy, get a filter / bottled-water”.

(1) fluoridation is not a/the only/best solution to tooth decay problem, there is/are other/better solution/s.
These 4 points are the answer to their “reasons” for their (“cheap, safe, effective”) fluoridating because of “increased (childrens) tooth decay” (& “leveling dental inequalities”) : (1) sugar. Today our childrens & adults food & drink are full of sugar esp breakfast cereals. Ingredients lists are in order of amount. Even wheatbix is full of sugar. The government has no right to force fluoride when they won’t stop this. It is almost as if it is being done on purpose…. People can darn buy their own sugar &/or fluoride easier than i can get water. (2) oral cleanliness (brushing teeth, etc). Most people these days brush their teeth (& with fluoridated toothpaste). Topical is more effcetive than ingested. The stupid saying that fluoridated water is oral health on tap is moronic and evil, you can not substitute real oral cleanliness, fluoride doesn’t make us more clean/hygenic. The fact that you[s] have to both fluoridate water and toothpaste shows that there is some artificail exaserpator of tooth decay. (3) diet ((processed) carbs). I know from my own experience that carbs are worse for teeth. (4) diet (decent nutrition). The truth is that the authorities are using fluoridation as an easy “answer” because they are either not willing or not able (ie incompetant) to address these root issues. Either you are admiting that the authorities are incompetant (& also that NZers are unclean, & evading individual responsibility), or else they are doing it on purpose. Dentists are only specialists in their field and do not understand the whole picture or root issues.
One friend of mine said she stoped eating food with more than a certain percent sugar and she hasn’t had any holes for #th year running.
Another friend said she had fluoride treatments when younger but still ended up with a mouthful of fillings.
The Maoris had good teeth before modern western european diet/lifestyle (same is true of modern tribes outside of the western world).
A friend also looked up skulls from time of Christ and said they were surprised to see they had good teeth.
Fluoridation didn’t stop my mother’s dog from loosing all its teeth except a few.
Fluoride has no benefit to us except for a little with lessening tooth decay (if needed). (Some sources also mention that fluoride also benefits a little with osteoperosis but this is never given as a reason by the pros/pushers so is not relevant.)
“10% of NZers are medicated….”
You don’t level (dental) inequalities by poisoning those who are inequal (artificially making us more inequal), you level inequalities by addressing the socio-economic and other inequalities.
If you are going to force fluoride then why don’t they at least force it on everyone equally (tho how are you going to force farmers etc? and even if you could we still all have unequal situations/circumstances, eg i am single at 40), you contradicting hypocrites. Ban water filters, Close the petone artesian well. Fluoridate farmers too. Why is mainland europe now fluoride free while UK/Ireland, USA, RSA, Australia/NZ fluoridating. Why is petone & korokoro fluoride free for mere “historical reasons” (ie a few activists years ago) while all rest of wellington, lower hutt, upper hutt, porirua, masterton fluoridating?
Clean running tap water is an essential necessity of life. We can’t live for more than 3 or 4 days with out water. (The body & brain are #% water. [“The brain is 90 percent water” / “brain 75% water, blood 83% water, bones 22% water, muscle 75% water”.]) (Compare that the bible says one third of the worlds water would be turned to wormwood/bitter/blood.)

(2) fluoridation is risk/harmful not “safe/scientific/peer-reviewed”.
No one should be allowed to force “medication” without a doctors [diagnosis and] prescription (or court order), nor without us (being informed that it is being done and) being given all the information on ingredients, side-effects, risks, and all other possible alternative options (as to whether it is really the only/best option for us or not); nor without proper objective trial testing/studies/research (& monitoring) before & during use.
It is illegal to give out “medication” without labeling on the bottles.
It is not possible for them to control the intake/dosage of water & fluoride.
It is not very “scientific” to dump a mass “medication” in the water without considering the effects on each different individual.
“This park contains fresh/clean air please don’t smoke in it” – Upper Hutt city council park sign.
The difference between safe and unsafe amount of fluoride is very small (1 part vs 2 or/to 3 parts per million).
If we could see/taste/smell the fluoride people might be more concerned, but because fluoride is invisible, tasteless & odourless people don’t care. (Though we can see its effects.)
The pros have not and can not and will not prove that it is not harmful. If they can’t prove it not harmful then they shouldn’t be allowed to do it. When non-orthodox come-up with a new thesis/theory all the onerous/”burden-of-proof” is (unfairly) all on us to heavily/thoroughly prove every jot and tiddle to archsceptics, yet why can the pros/orthodox get away with such light claims/arguments/reasons/answers (“they are scientists [& you aren’t]”, “stats show rising health/lifespan/iq”, “you are just ocd”, “i know several people a 100 years old who have been eating upper hutt water all their life”)? No one has shown me any adequite scientific proof/studies that fluoridated water is not harmful. We don’t have to prove it is harmful, you have to prove it is not harmful since you are forcing it on half the country.
There is no doubt that fluoride is harmful is have seen/heard/felt its effects in my (& other people) hands/skin, throat/thyroid, hair/balding, mouth/lips, pineal/dreams, sleeping, clumsyness, brain/mental ability, ocd/mental state, tinnitis, joints, prostate/private parts, chest/shoulders/back/posture, etc.
So many people i have heard/seen in hospital/surgery/operation, sick, died, cancer, bald, homeless, dumbed down, single, etc. (I am not saying that it is all or just fluoridated water causing it (there are other collective/individual problems like sprayed food, etc), but there is no doubt that it is harmful.)
Fluoride is proven to harm peoples thyroid which is a serious issue [and i think i have seen that thyroid harm also retards mental?]
Fluoridation is proven to harm horses, and babies, and sensitive people / people with allergy. (If its not safe for infants its not safe for adults in my opinion.)
It is proven fact that fluoride effects, or deposits in, or causes deposits in the heart, prostate, joints, pineal gland, kidney, [thalamus,] carotid, [pituitary,] thyroid, etc.
According to science/reference books etc the element Fluorine &/or the compound Fluoride is one of the most reactive/volatile elements/compounds. [“Most reactive element known”, “vigorous oxidizing agent” etc.]
The packaging labels of the fluoride they put in our water (& on toothpaste labels) says “poison/toxic/hazchem /danger”.
The fluoride they add to our water is/was used as a (rat) poison/pesticide.
(The fluoride they put in our water is an industrial waste.) “It is illegal to dump the fluoride (which they put in our water) in the sea”.
“Fluoride is classed in the same group of toxins as arsenic, mercury and paraquat”.
Fluoride is a neurotoxin.
“Effects of fluoride on mice alarming”.
“Fluoride spill eats concrete”.
“Fluoride causes cancer”.
Fluoridated water is not good for impaired kidney.
“The risks of fluoride outweigh any alleged benefits”.
“More than 4,200 health and science professionals have signed the Professionals’ Statement calling for an end to Water Fluoridation.”
Fluoridated water is reckoned to be connected with some heart disease. “Heart disease is NZ’s biggest killer”.
The nazis allegedly used fluoride in concentration camps.
NZ is stuck up to think we know better than mainland Europe who have banned it.
“exposure to toxic substances can kill you, slowly” – environmental protection agency web/net advert, 31 mar 2014.
“Modern nutritionists, however, are beginning to be concerned with 2 more kinds of nutritional disorders; and although the study of both kinds is in its infancy, both will be introduced in this account. The first deals with the effects of comparatively small amounts of harmful constituents in our diet, introdcued either voluntarily or involuntarily, and consimed for a long period of time….” – pears cyclopedia, 1988.
{“We have approximately 420 clients on our books currently and around 11 new referrals every week.” – community mental health team leader couple of years ago.
“30% of NZers/Wellingtonians over 20 are singles” – sarc.
“There has been a significant increase in mental health diagnoses, particularly under the heading of “anxiety.”” – NZ, Jan 2013.
“1 in 3 NZers suffer [mental health issues] at some point in life” [- mental health week?]
(Though again, i know fluoride isn’t the sole/whole/only cause of these but it is a part. We should be eliminating all possibilities. Even if it is a combination it is no fair to only concentrate on one half and not also the other.)}
You have no right to force me to eat/drink your sh*t poison. (I can’t control/dictate what you eat/drink.) Do you know what it is like for me to be powerlessly forced to eat/drink poison, &/or to have to thirst/starve/ration.
Do unto others as you would have done to you.
Oh no, thats right, “Its all good”…. “Upper Hutt a great place to live!”?

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Some of my remembered/recorded fluoride/fluoridation / water / tooth decay references/sources include:
{pros/neutrals: MoH; WHO; pastor chris; neville bates; wikipedia; starman’s quest; encarta; newspapers letters to the editor; replies from capacity; replies from greater regional council/chris laidlaw; toothpaste labels; fluoride packaging labels; Paul Holmes; Cory (NZ nutrition & your health); chemistry/science reference books; South Taranaki court case notes/paper; reply from Minister of Health; ;}
{neutral/pros: sceptics in the pub/sceptic society; sedgeford archaeological society; water testers results; breakfast cereal ingredients lists; human rights commission;}
{uncertain/neutral/”anti”/ignorant: my mother(‘s dog); bible; waitress at botanic gardens; science study on milk helps against tooth decay; diabetic on talkback radio;}
{“antis”: wapf; national anarchist blog;; ‘fluoride detective’ blog; dr mercola; fluoride action network (nz); Dr Paul Connett; Dr John Colquhoun; award-winning journalist Christopher Bryson (“fluoride deception”; “nz dentist exposes/blows whistle on fluoride” news item; ‘Professionals Statement’; [3 evils (fluoridation, mental health, vaccination) poster]; science study on fluoride & multiple sclerosis found by google searching that; me/myself/experience;}

“5%”/”12countries” (or/not “60 countries”) of the world is fluoridated (incl UK, (R)SA, NZ, Australia, USA; excl Russia, Nigeria).
Mainland Europe has banned/stopped fluoridation of water (not of salt/milk/toothpaste), UK/Ireland still fluoridate.
Half of Israel settlements are fluoridated half aren’t.
“50 cities” or “…61% of reticulated water supplies in New Zealand are fluoridated, with 52% of New Zealanders receiving …”
All of wellington/lowerhutt/upperhutt/porirua are fluoridated except for petone/korokoro.

btw = by the way; cab = citizens advice commision; dhb = distric health board; dr = doctor; eg; etc; fannz = fluoride action network nz; f = fluorine; faq; fyi; govt = government; hcc = hutt city council; hdpe; moh = minister/ministry of health; ms/me ~ multipe sclerosis; nz(ers) = new zealand(ers); ok; pet(e); ref(s) = reference(s); (r)sa = (republic of) south africa; uh = upper hutt; uk = united kingdom/great britain; us(a) = united states of america; wapf; who = world health organisation; wiki; & = and; wgtn = wellington; yrs = years; % percent.

“Get a Filter / Bottled-water”:

The fluoridation pushing authorities constantly pass of the problem on to us “antis” and excuse themselves by saying that it is “easy” for us to just filter it out. Therefore it is necessary for me to add this section info to show that this tactic is both wrong and unfair.

“things you can do”. These are the quotes from the South Taranaki court case paper:
“an individual has the ability not to consume fluoridated water” / “no one is compelled to consume the water” / “a citizen has the choice of supplying their own drinking water or filtering” / “no obligation to consume the fluoridated water” / “the city is not compelling [anyone] to drink it… …. His freedom to choose not to ingest it….” ; “a range of measures we can employ to avoid ingesting fluoridated water” / “He is free to filter it, boil it, mix it with purifying spirits, purchase bottled water.” / “easily filtered out by an end user” .

These are my and others problems with their “range of” “easy” answers that we are supposedly so “free/able/not-compelled” to “choose” do:

Get Filter:
– some of us are unable to get/have filters because of plumbing problems (water sitting in tanks, pipes, fittings). (Filters have to be plumbed into the taps (“It can fit into a benchtop [or underbench] housing that you connect to the bench tap by a divertor valve.”), we can’t just get manual filters where we can pour water into them or manually connect to tap.) I’d have to get *All* this flat’s plumbing redone (which is costly, invasive of my privacy/ocd, and plumbers have stupid quotes system, plus is pointless since i still need/want to shift anyway). (With plumbing problem I can’t just get one to just remove fluoride. Would need 2 part filter to remove dissolved/chemical as well as physical substances/sediment. But then would loose good nutrients too.)
– there are no local filter shops, the nearest is ngauranga and plimmerton or paraparaumu.
– Wikipedia article on filters/filtering said filtering is dangerous [without expert knowledge and decent diet] because we can either/both take out good nutrients (beneficial phosphorus & clacium) &/or put in bad things (eg certain filters have/use aluminium (oxide)/alumina).
– we have to have 2 filters one for kitchen and 1 for bathroom
– filtering is costly (refil cartridges / filter screen replacement $75.00 plus gst every 6 months, one off price of $159.00 plus gst).
(Btw it is not fair that filter business can make money out of us?)
– filtering is slow. (Quote “The only thing is the flow is only 2 lpm, so may be a little slow but we can adjust the divertor to make stay open and you wouldn’t have to keep holding the rod out.”)
– we have to trust that the filters really get out the fluoride. (Only two filter types (1 is reverse osmosis, other 1 is selective ion exchange resin) allegedly actually remove the fluoride, the others are useless (incld the jug/bottle ones).) [One source says “reduces fluoride by about 90%”.]
– all very well for our house but what about in public (cafes, workplaces, school, etc). (We can’t carry around bottles of water (heavy, bulky, leaky, plastic toxins [since can’t get wineskins or …]) everywhere all the time.)
– if everyone is going to get filters then why/what is the point in fluoridating anyway?
– Filtering is stupid having to filter out something they are putting in.
– I don’t want to be getting more stuff (re OCD, shifting, clutter) i have enough stuff as if is.

Get artesian water (self):
I can’t keep always getting water from petone because:
– Some of us don’t have cars and can’t get water from the next city (Petone) spring ca15km away .
– i can’t always/keep getting out all the time (every week/fortnight). (Even if i could it dictates my timetable and all my time & effort is taken up having to get water.)
– carrying water by hand/foot wears our my shoes, etc.
– i can’t get a decent hand truck or “hand trolley” here in nz. The only ones the shops have are not very good. Can’t find one like the picture in wikipedia hand truck article photo.
(- The new lower hutt spring at dowse hasn’t been tested like the petone one has? (even tho they say its from the same miles long underground water source.) It is still almost as far/difficult as Petone anyway.)
– not fair that others have home running tap water (a necessity of life/civilisation/progress) while we don’t. (Its like some of us been forced back to the dark ages getting water from wells.)
– The Upper Hutt council can’t/won’t put in an artesian well (or open to public the one in trentham park) because of government regulations.
– There is no artesian well in upper hutt only in the next city over 15km away. Having to take 20L on trains/buses is a huge hastle and costly and time consuming.
– i can’t be carrying around empty or full 20/10 L bottles of water in other places like shops, libraries, etc. (There are no lockers that i know of anywhere apart from bike ones at station (which cost abit).) I have to either get water from Petone first before going/doing other places/things or come back before too late to pick up container and then go alway back down to Petone and come back again.
– if we have to get our own water then why don’t yous/everyone have to get own water (fluoridated or not).

Get bottled water (self):
– You can buy fluoridated bottled water but I can’t buy unfliuoridated bottled water because the goverment made it legal/law that they don’t have to label/list fluoride as an ingredient or not ( or say whether it is un/fluoridated or not).
– plus bottled water bottles are all PET(E) #1 which has endocrine disruptors (some have bpa?). Some bottled water can have bpa.
– i don’t have a car and can’t be carrying water to/from supermarket (i don’t have a car), i already have enough trouble carrying groceries.
– We don’t know where the water has been that is in bottles, it could have been sitting in metal tanks for example.
– I can’t always get out and to shops. (Btw the dairy near me doesn’t have full cream milk, it only has low fat. And they don’t have 2L only small/er size/s.)
– “mineral water may contain higher fluoride than other natural NZ water”.

Get artesian/unfluoridated/bottled water (delivery):
– who is going to take away the empty bottles? (Extra note: Also, we are not allowed to put rubbish in rubbish bins.)
– no authorities or friend/family/church/fannz would help with water/milk (except one pastor). (Everyone has their own work/problems/families/lives/interests, etc). Even the person that did help couldn’t be “reliable”/regular.
– we have to trust that the water deliverers (and/or neigbours) don’t tamper/poison the water , &/or that it really is artesian water not fluoridated etc.
– the citizens advice bureau (CAB) said “there is no one that delivers water or milk, [other than] try church”. (Though this last time they pointed out that the fannz site has a couple of spring water dleivery contacts. But if i remember correctly the fannz site said the problem with these is that some is fluoridated and not sure which are/aren’t.) (I only mention milk because it is that only other alternative to water if i don’t have any water.)
– big blue water coolant company are no good. They state on their site that they filter all nutrients [good and bad] out. And they say that their water can sit in metal tank/pail for upto 12 or 24 hours [which is no good since water sitting in fittings/pipes/tanks while we sleep picks up enough heavy metals to be dusty in mornings (despite the councils claiming the risk is “only slight/small potential/minute traces” (and only run a mug full/for few seconds)).]. Plus they never answered me about quality & ingredients of the bottles and water. Plus water reserviour bottles have some metal in them. The picture of their deliverer the man is bald too.
– i can’t buy via woolworths/countdown online more than once every few weeks due to it costing twice or more the shop prices, the delivery cost, etc.
– the Artestian well/spring/fountain in Petone leaks/drips around the button cracks into bottles and i have to be able to do myself to make sure no drips, and to make sure that the water is run abit or used by someone else immediately before to avoid metal from sitting in fittings/pipes/pump.

Boil it:
– boiling the water doesn’t get it out (as someone in the South Taranaki court case paper claimed). (Cory says boiling loss for chlorine/chloride, but no boiling losses for fluoride.) Not sure about freezing it like my friend Kerry does but i don’t think that would remove or neutralise it either.

– fluoride is very hard to detox, esp when we are being dosed with it every time we eat/drink (and wash/rinse in) it.

“Distil(l) water”
I can’t distill water as there are problems with that (electricity cost, takes out good not just bad, ocd).

Get an Atmosh
Atmosh (which gets water from the air like condensation on windows or like water vaporator in Star Wars) is no good either for various reasons. (Ocd. Don’t want water being in metal/etc parts? [Doesn’t have nutrients of ground/rain water?]) Maybe one like the one they have in Africa might be alright but i don’t know if or how we can get one.

Rain water:
I can’t collect rain water here because of attached neighbours / company share flat problems, as well as that rain water can have pollution and dirt from roof/gutter/birds.

“Bible says God protect us from poison”:
Ok, but not easy, as this is only if we have faith without doubt/wavering. I have tried to have faith but i still seem to suffer effects of fluoride and some other poisons/toxins. I also see other Christians suffering un/knowingly from fluoride.
Its not fair for God to force me to eat/drink poison and have to have faith he will protect me.
Bible also says to be as wise as serpents.
Bible also says 1/3rd of all water of world woudl become wormwood “bitter”/blood and many would die from it.
It was seemingly God that told/revealed to me about the fluoride and mercury fillings and other things that i was suffering from.

“You have right to legal [action]” (as Police said to me):
I can’t take them to court even though i am confident i could win because i have disproven their reasons by showing the root issues of the issue because i have a mental illness and bad situation, and because i can’t afford it. (Plus after seeing the Tarankai court notes i am not so sure we can win as they are so evil-ly cunning and dismissive etc that we have to be able to be as cunning and conter-dismissive to each and every trick they pull out of their bag.)

“Range of measures”: General:
– it is all very well to get a filter or artesian water but we are still effected by it effecting other people.
– it is all very well to get a filter or artesian water but what about others (don’t we have to care about others too)? It is selfish not to care about others. I also have to care about other people who are also being poisoned since I don’t like that/when no one cares about me. [The people with water filters or going to Petone spring while they won’t take/support action are selfish, they don’t care about the rest of us. (Only 7 people including me & the 1 or 2 organiser/s turned up to fannz wellington region meeting.) (Only a few submissions to councils years plan.)]
– Its easier for people to get any desired/needed fluoride from various sources (natural fluoride already in water, soy, tea, tablets, bottled water, toothpaste, fluoridated milk/salt, mineral water (“mineral water may contain higher fluoride than othr natural NZ water”), &/or to avoid/get sugar than it is for us to avoid fluoridated water &/or get unfluoridated water (filter, detox, get own spring/bottled water ourselves/delivered).
(- If we are so free to do those things why are others Not so free to get their own fluoride/fluoridated water?)
– it is not fair that we are artificially/unnecesarily forced to have to be able to get filter or water (because of them evading collective & individual responsibility) while others have tap water and/or are not forced to similar difficult measures.
– it is not fair to force what amounts to water privatisation (get filters or own water) on some of us and not others. (Plus we also have to pay either/both rates for council water &/or linecharges/userpays privatised water/waste.)
– if it is too hard for the authorities to address the [range of] root issues of tooth decay incidence that they have to use easy answer of mass fluoridation, then why can’t they see/admit that it is not easy for some of us to do their “easy” [“range of”] answers of filter/etc?
– isn’t it a hypocritical contradiction that they/you don’t fluoridate everyone. If they are so right then people with unfluoridated water would have worse tooth decay than people with fluoridated water.
– it is not fair to not force fluoride equally on everyone (including themselves too).
– if they are so genuine then they should take a national survey or include in the census questions about whether households have filters or not, and/or whether households have (use/drink/eat) fluoridated or unfluoridated water.
– its like saying that we can make as much noise as we like and its the neighbours faults for not getting earplugs or double glazing.
– The judges and lawyers and councillors etc are rich/etc, have cars, etc, they have no idea how difficult/impossible it is for some of us. I have a hell situation (including water/fluoride/plumbing problems, neighbours problems, location, beneficiary, alone/single, etc) and condition (aspergers, ocd, anxiety, etc) and my studies.
– Everytime its always me being forced to have to consider others only other offered unsuitable options , and never the options that best suit me that i want/need/ask.
– We can’t change water companies like we can change banks or electricity or phone or isp companies.
(- the fannz site has all links not website addresses which is a pain to write down, and the deliverers have phone nos only not emails.)

I can’t easily shift (to a place that has unfluoridated water options) as i have difficulty finding at place that meets all my requirements (afford, not socially isolated (re single & 40/aging), safe for my studies books/papers, not noisy/attached neighbours, unfluoridated water, not plumbing problems like here, can have a garden, no microwaves beside me, etc), and no one will help me find a place.

“Get a plumber in”/”fix plumbing/pipes problem””
Plumbers have a stupid quotes system. Last time i tried i went to all the hastle to be able to let them in thinking they were going to do the thing/s i’d asked about and all they (2 men!) did was look at it and give a stupid quote. They could have fixed it there and they didn’t.
It will cost alot and be alot of intrusion (esp with ocd) to get *All* the plumbing redone in this place since almost all the plumbing has problems (bad fittings/joint spout tap, pipes all way from street, tank in roof, hot water tank, shower head too much water, toilet runs down back of inside of pan and splashes up back side when i poo and the ballcock leaks slightly, dripin tap, shared pipes with the other 4 flats (i sick of hearing gushing sounds everytime they use water, and of pipes banging when they use washing machines), plumb in a filter in kitchen and bathroom, etc). What is the point when i still need/want to shift anyway?
As it is the main local plumbers outfit have been nasty to me in connection with next door neighbours and drains.

“find a farmer who will let you get water from their bore or rain water.”
I would if i could but need help finding one/any.
Though i would need the water to be tested to be sure no harmful in it. (Shallow bores are soft water. Rain water can have pollution and roof/gutter toxins and bird dropings.)
(Note Upper Hutt is the/2nd largest “city” (urban) in NZ and the/2nd smallest population “city” in NZ. A valley surrounded by hills on almost all sides.)

My/other/general/extra options:
I can’t just drink/eat fluoridated water because it badly effects my health (just for some minor examples whenever i have to go back to fluoriated water i can’t sleep as/very well, effects my thyroid, not able to do my studies as/very well, balding, etc).
I can’t go without water/milk for more than 3/4 days or i will die.
I can’t keep starving or being dehydrated.
Can’t suicide.
I can’t get anymuch social support for my mental illness.
Medication/mental health is not very easy as i have had tons of problems with them every time i have tried (delayed weeks/month(s), side effects, pharmac won’t bring in some meds, mental health act, etc).
Milk (&/or raw milk) is not ideal because i have a slight cow milk allergy, and because is high copper content, and sits in metal pails/tankers/tanks, plus have to be careful of heart, and no one will take empty bottles away. (Also not sure if lactose (sugar) may effect teeth? plus always a worry they could fluoridate milk.) (But it doesn’t seem as bad for me as fluoridated water.) (Btw milk is only decent natural source of calicum i have.)
I have tried to find/get (fresh) goats milk (like my mother used to get years ago) but it is almost impossible. (They usually say the goats are pregnant or goats are resting.) The long life stuff is no good as has additives, the packaging (ocd), the packaging (possible bpa lining), the small size/quantity, and is uht?
Rice milk or soy milk are no good. (The don’t have (natural) calcium. Soy has fluoride. Not enough quantity?)

“Make a submission”:
Making submissions to councils is useless since I can’t appear/present in person due to my condition/situation, and the UH council say they can’t stop even if they want because all 4 cities share same water supply and has to be all or majority of 4 cities (or greater regional council), &/or unless enough people make submissions.
I sent appeal letter to all 150 mps in parliament, and to all councilors in the 4 cities, and to the 4 newspapers but none would do anything (apart from just 2 councilors replying that they agreed but couldn’t do anything as the rest of council are otherwise).
The minister of health goes along with the MOH officials.
The Greens party refuse to take a stand on the issue.
Not fair on some/others that it is made a local council by council issue and not a national issue.
Some of us are not able to write good enough submissions/papers/letters, and it takes a lot of time and effort to write quality papers/letters/submissions (and to read court notes, papers, submissions, etc).


My right to clean running tap water supercedes your right to fluoridate(d water), or at least is no less valid or important.
The government’s duty to supply or not infringe on supply of water supercedes/equals any alleged “duty” to supply fluoride.


Joseph in 3rd dynasty Egypt evidence lists

January 15, 2014

Our thesis is that Joseph (Zaphenath-Paneah) “of the multi-coloured coat” of Genesis is Sekhemhet (Djoserty-Ankh?) of the 3rd-4th dynasty of ancient Egypt. This is just a quick brief rewritten summary as we don’t have the time/health/situation to write up a more fully detailed/explained paper. (Indeed we are not sure we will still be alive/”free” for much longer if this Hell situation/condition continues.) (We were going to leave/cut out the candidates lists, but we have left them attached at end for some people who they may still be of interest/use to.)

(Note: We can not claim much credit for the discovery though because Moller and/or Wyatt were almost spot-on with their Imhotep theory prior to us (though we made our discovery independently). (Side-note: Wyatt has suffered alot of criticism and claims about fraud/etc, yet the accusers ignore that he was right enough about Joseph and some other things.)

In our studies in our tweenties and thirties we had seen info on Philitis and Imhotep and theories of connections with the likes of Melchizedek/Shem.

Before our looking for Joseph we had noticed that the 7 years famine of Djoser/Zoser mentioned in Keller seemed similar to Joseph’s one, we also later saw that others had also connected them (in B Walker).

Some years ago we went through all dynastic history looking for any clues/evidences for the times when Joseph & Moses could be. We found that only the 3rd-4th dynasty has matches for Joseph and not any other time.

Joseph is variously dated: 1980, 1876, 17xx bc (Oxford), [ 900 bc (PSBA)?].

Dynasties Joseph has variously been put in include:
3rd dyn [Djoser/Imhotep/Sekhemhet] (by Walker/Moller/Wyatt/us),
4th dyn [suphis] (by us/Hoeh),
5th dyn [Ptahhotep/Unas] (by Wyatt/Courville),
11th dyn [Inyotef] (by Rohl (not-main)),
12th dyn [Mentuhotep/[Ptahwer/Yatu]] (by Rohl (main)/Bullen/Courville/Alford),
[13th dyn [Aufni],]
[14th dyn (by PSBA)?]
15th/16th dyn [Apophis/Hyksos] (by Manetho/Bey/orthodox/Compton),
[17th dyn] “immediately before 18th dyn” (by Bey),
18th dyn [“vizier of Ahmose1″/Ianhama/Yuya] (by Sullivan/Osman),
19th dyn [Bey] (by ?),
19th/20th dyn [Osarsiph/Irsu] (by Sayce/PSBA),
[22nd dyn (by PSBA)?]
… dyn [Ipa/Ipu/Ipi(ankh(u))],
composite/myth / not-historical (by orthodox/sceptics/Fomenko).

We see there are 3 or 4 or 5 main periods (3-5, 11-20 (11-13, 15-16, 18-20), [22]). The last is after even the orthodox placement/date and so ruled-out.

The orthodox placement for Joseph is the Hyksos (15th-16th dynasty). This is ruled out for various reasons including:
– too late in Egyptian history.
(- Their date for Joseph is also abit later than biblical date.)
– no Global air to the Hyksos dynasties period (re Global famine).
– they admit that they can’t find Joseph and Moses in their placements (but wrongly think it is the biblical that is wrong rather than their chronology).
– no Potiphera match in name and person/nature/date.
– Hebrews were not Hyksos.
– alternative scholars now favour Moses being around about 13th dynasty.
– Shechem (and Jerusalem) was mentioned in 12th dynasty execration texts [and Shechem may even be mentioned in 2nd/3rd dyn?]. In bible Shechem is founded in Jacob’s time (except for anachronistic mention in Abraham’s time).
-Josephus said there were pharaoah’s for 1300 years from Menes to Shishak [Ramses 2].
Herodotus said there were pharaohs for (1)1340 yrs from Menes to Seti (19th dyn). Joseph is 430/215 + 480 yrs before Shishak. There was only 400 years from Hyksos to 19th dynasty (San tablet).
– we have found better match.

The recent main alternative placement (of Rohl etc) is the 12th dynasty. This also is ruled out because:
– 12th dyn is too late in Egyptian (when comparing the Biblical and Egyptian timelines side by side) for Joseph who was only 3rd after Abram (generations in between Abe to Jose were only 2) who was only (1)400 yrs after flood just after extreme longevity, at beginnings of history.
– Rohl’s statue etc is not convincing.
– they have no match for name Zaphenath.
– no Potiphera.
– Egyptian orthodox chronology/dating is wrong. The date for 12th dynasty relies solely on Sothaic dating which they admit is “problematic” and have supposedly “moved away from”. Herodotus said Moeris was only 900 years before [Amasis 2].
– Rohl’s “Joseph” (“(11-)12th”) and Moses (“(12-)13th”) can’t both be so close together.

(This leaves the next alternative 3rd-5th dynasty period placement. Though that is not the reason for our placement.)

Possible evidences for Joseph in 3rd-4th dyn:
bent pyr may connect with famine;
Surid may connect with Pharaoh;
Sekhemhet matches Zaphenath;
Ra-hotep / htp-ren ~ Potiphera / Potiphar;
famine match (Djoser 7 famine, Unas famine scenes, Surid “fire”?);
models of granaries in OK tombs;
Asenath-like names (Sen-nebty, Achethotep, Arsinoe, Sethtet);
110 yr olders / centenarians;
global air (Great Pyramid geodesy, etc);
feudal period (4th-15th dyn);
name Ramses found at 3rd/4th dyn site (Hoeh),
Goshen matches Giza or Sokhem;
Philitis at Giza in 4th dyn (matching either Hebrews/Jacob/Jospeh);
3 kingdoms (Old Mid New) roughly match 3 Hermes (Set Shu/Num Thoth) match 3 reincarnations (Seth [Shem [Abe/Jose]], Moses, Samuel);
Clayton mentions presence of Asiatics in FIP;
fits with Abraham in 1st dynasty;
“grain storage bins at Step pyramid”?;
wife of Uba-aner ~ Potiphar’s wife?;
“Jacob’s ladder ~ Step pyramid”?;
store rooms around 1st dynasty tombs ~ storehouses/granaries?;
united kingdom at the time.

About that time we found that Potiphera priest of On (&/or Potiphar “captain of the guard”) may match “Ra-hotep”/”Hotep-ra” “priest of Heliopolis” (& “leader of the warriors of the monarch”) of 3rd/4th/5th dynasty.

Some have a dispute with us though in that they claim that Ra-hotep can not be read hotep-ra because of modern scholars alleged ancient Egyptian grammer rules. (Hotep/hetep means “peace/content/satisfied /rest/ease/appeased/expiated /pleased/joyous/offering”). However, from all our research we can not find definte proof that it can’t be read hotep-ra and can only be read ra-hotep, and/or even if it is perhaps so the Hebrews could still have reversed it. (Some languages write/read left to right, some write/read right to left.) There is a htp-ren…nebty in inscription found in the Sekhemhet complex. (Maybe compare htp-ren/hetep-re & Khafre/Chephren?)

names with hotep first:
htp-ren[…]_nebty, Hotep-sekhem-wy/hetepsekhemui (dyn 2), hetepahaui, Hetephires/Hetep-heres, Hotep-dif, Hetep-S-en-usret (Kahun, dyn 12), hetephernebti/hotephernebty, Hotp-hi-ma’e, hotep-ra, Hetep-ib-re (dyn 13)?, Hetepiho, htp-di-nsw, hotep-ab, hotepnetjeru, hetep-khuy.

names with re last:
throne names all end with -re/-ra.
chephren/khafre! djedefre? menkaure/mycerinus!
potiphera!, shem-re, menophres, se-ra/sa-re, atum-re, jmn-ra/amun-re, hor-ur-re, sisera, hr-ra, hotepra/hetepre, khnem-ra, [baufre?], Sahure, nDm_n_ra, padipara, s(h)p-ra, hesyre/hesy-ra/hesire/hezyra, Senakht-en-Re, sehetepibre(12th)?, Se-hotep-ab-Ra (Amenemhat 1, dyn 12)?
Se-hetep-ib-re (Amenemhet 6, dyn 13)?, Hetep-ib-re (dyn 13)?, maat-en-re/Nema(at)re/Labari, mery-ra, dua(en)re, nikaure, ankhmare, sekhemkare, rekhmire usimares hetephires?, sut-en-re, khahotepre, kha-ankh-re khanoferre/chenephres, khakara, nb-hpr-re.

names read either/both ways:
Egyptian: ra-ho’tep/ra-het’ep/rehotpe/rahotpe/rahotpu &/or hotepra/hetepre/hotepre (17th dyn, Budge/Petrie)?
redjedef/ratoises! or djedefre, heru-tataf &/or djedef-hor, [raufu &/or “ufura”?],
rakhaf/ra-khu.f/ra-xaw.f (written) &/or khaf-re/xaw.f-Ra/chephren (phrase), re-seqenen &/or seqenen-re, raneb &/or nebra,
re-hesy &/or hesy-ra/hesira, ra-amon &/or amun-ra,
amen-tutankh (written) &/or tutankh-amen,
[osar-siph &/or se-osiris?],
usert-sen &/or sen-usret/sesostris,
nar-mer &/or meri-nar, maat-en-re &/or Nema(at)re/Labari, hotepibre &/or ib-hetep-re (khamudy/hyksos)?; akhenaten &/or aton-akhen?, re.neb.hetep & nebhetepre, Meryibre/Abmerira
Hebrew/Semitic: [jonathan &/or nathanias],
[j(eh)o-hanan &/or hanan-iah], [el-nathan &/or nathana-el],
[el-hanan &/or hananeel/han(n)iel], baal-hanan & hanni-bal.
Classical: [theodora/diodorus &/or dorothea].

The 2 elements (hotep/hetep and Ra/Re) are sometimes our way around:
Hotep-ra/hetepre (Budge/Petrie), nebhetepre/[neb-hapet-ra?]/nibhotpuri/Neb-hotep-ra (Mentuhotep 1/2, dyn 11), sehetepre,
aa-hetep-re / ja-hotepra/ha’hotepre/Kha’hotep-re (Sobekhotep 5/6 dyn13), merhotepre/Mer-hetep-re (Ini, dyn 13)?, djed-hotep-re (dedumose 1), sekhahetep-ra.

“Ancient Egyptian pun reversal of htp/hetep “offering/peace/conciliation/realization of” into pth/(the god) Ptah “fire fallen into earth”.”?

[Potiphera (& Asenath) could alternatively/also possibly connect with Waddell’s “Parinbara” (and “lady Ash Nini”) readings of “predynastic” inscriptions? (Compare Parinbara & Padipara?) Perhaps compare that the store rooms around 1st dynasty tombs could connect with store houses/granaries? (Maybe also compare “Both articles are part of an expanding body of evidence that links the period once known as ‘predynastic’ so firmly to the ages of the pyramids and later, that the term should be abandoned.”]

We shortly after saw on Hancock forum and other places that some had connected Joseph and Imhotep.

Later we found that the Bent pyramid may possibly connect with the 7 years plenty & famine:
Lower half steeper/wider, upper half shallower/thinner; lower half big rocks, upper half smaller stones; 3 pi & 4 pi or 3.5 pi (half of 7). Bent pyr connected with St Joseph, Joseph’s canal.) (Though less likely, perhaps Joseph was even entombed in bent pyramid and the rough hewn tunnel hacked through masonry is from Moses removing his bones???)
(In the tales of the magicians 110 year old Djedi who dwells at Djed Sneferu (Meydum or Dahshur) possibly sounds abit like Joseph?)
(Other hitherto theories were that the Bent pyramid (&/or Meydum pyr) was due to disaster/rain/quake. Alford gave evidence that it was deliberately designed, though he connects it with duality/Set.)

One to two years ago we finally found that Sekhemhet seems to match Joseph/Zaphenath in name and nature. I was down one day and looking through Lissner’s book and saw the heading “who was Sekhemhet” and had a out of the blue (i was not thinking at all about Joseph) i had an idea/thought/feeling flash that i wonder if it could be Zaphenath. When i read the chapter and thought on it i found that the evidence seemed to support this. Later i came across F Raffaele’s info which gave more amazing confirming evidence.

table/list of similarities between Sekhemhet & Joseph (* = finds in/at Sekhemhet complex) :

Sekhem-het [~~ Saophis Comates?] ~~ Zaphen-ath?
Djoserty-Ankh ~~ Joseph?? Paneah?
“powerful body” ~~ “all-comely”?
Unas famine scenes beside Sekhemhet complex* ~~ 7 yrs famine?
Imhotep graffiti in Sekhemhet complex* ~~ Joseph connected with Imhotep??
120/132 store/storage chambers/containers* ~~ storehouses/granaries? (12 pats? 110 yrs?)
hollow gold tube / gold necklace* ~~ gold chain (Genesis 41:42)?
Sen-nebty* ~~ Asenath?
htp-ren…nebty* ~~ Potiphar/’s wife / Potiphera?
empty sarcophagus* ~~ Joseph bones removed?
giant fennel branch* ~~ 7 years plenty? (or hyssop branch from when Moses removed bones? Messianic symbol?)
ramp * ~~ chariot?
72 degrees slope ~~ 70 souls? 70 days? 7 yrs?
Sekhemhet connected with Teti ~~ Joseph was vizier (tjaty)?
Sekhemhet was unknown “Pharaoh/King” ~~ Joseph was vizier, Adon over all the land, highest in land except Pharaoh?
7 steps, (assoc with king that reigned 6/7 yrs) ~~ 7 years?

(Some of the other late 3rd dynasty odd “kings” and pyramids names may possibly connect with persons of Genesis (Jacob, Asenath, Ephraim/Manasseh, Benjamin)?)

We then also read Ron Wyatt’s Imhotep/Joseph notes and saw evidence that the 7 years famine account of Djoser and the bible’s 7 years famine of Joseph are indeed connected. (Note: Imhotep graffiti is found in Sekhemhet complex.) Wyatt gives excerpts from the 2 accounts side by side. The exact connection between Imhotep (or Serapis) and Joseph is still not certain though.

Imhotep/Joseph cons:
-his name was Joseph/Zaphenath not Imhotep.
-Imhotep comes before Rahotep.
-Djoser may be slightly too early?

Imhotep/Joseph pros:
– Imhotep graffiti in Sekhemhet complex.
– Imhotep’s titles are practically identical to Joseph’s “second in command” description in bible.
– “Tosorthros [(Djoserty?) 3rd dyn] was skilled in the art of healing sicknesses and was called the god of healing” recalls Imhotep?

– Im(-hotep) might connect with Shem or Philitis or baker or Potiphar or Joseph as foreigner?

We noticed that Surid of Masoudi is similar to Pharaoh of Joseph in Genesis and Djoser/Zoser (both had dreams, “flood and fire” ~ plenty & famine? 300 years to flood ~ 400 years to exodus, Surid/Kharid/Saurid/Surid/Soris/Seris/Ser/Sharu ~ Djoser/Zoser/Tcheser/T’a-sar/Sesor-tosis?).

Finally we had thought that Goshen seemingly may match Sokhem (Latopolis, where Josephus said the exodus started from), but we since found that Goshen may rather match Giza/Gizeh/er-ges-her “beside the high” (where was shepherd Philitis “lover of righteousness”, and which is roughly modern Cairo).

Most recently we had correspondence with an Egyptologist and there is now a question of whether Sekhemhet and Zaphenath match in name or only in meaning.

Names not / cognate?:
[~ Saophis Comates?]
~ Tsaphenath/Zaph(e)nath/Psothom?
Note PSBA has (m)nt?

Names meanings synonymous?:
We know that the name is sekhem-het and some say the Hebrew one is Zaphen-ath.
Sekhem “secret shrine, shut place, imprison”
[~ Saophis Comates “trafficker, getter”]
~ sapan/zaphan “to hide, store up, secret(s)”?
Moses could have translated sekhem as zaphan?

Sekhem-khet “powerful body”, khet “overall/all pervading/spread/throughout”
~ (Joseph) “the all-comely”?

Note on the orthodox “dates” objections:

Josephus & Herodotus has Menes only 1300 years before Solomon/Shishak, so Menes (1st dyn) is not before 2300 bc.
Herodotus said Moeris was only 900 years before [Amasis 2], which gives a date of ca 1400s for Moeris (12th dynasty).

Our reasonably certain timeline:
1st dyn ~~ Abraham/Chedorlaomer
3rd-4th ~~ Joseph
[khety ~~ kohath?]
11th ~~ Elim
12th ~~ Moses
Hyksos ~~ Amalek/Judges?
Amarna ~~ David?
19th ~~ Shishak/Ano
19th/20th ~~ Zerah
22 ~~ Phoenicians (Moscati/Rohl)
26th ~~ Neco.

Possible timeline:
Palaeolithic ~~ Nimrod?
Azilian ~~ Beersheba/Abraham? (Zehren)
Lake dwellings ~~ Joseph?
Megalithic ~~ Og/Moses? (Keller)
Stonehenge ~~ Gilgal/Joshua?
Hallstatt ~~ Gezer?

Famines/droughts of anc Egypt between 0/1 & 25th dynasties:
2 droughts supp betw aft end last Ice Age & bef 1st dyn;
famine Uenephes/Ata 1stdyn *;
7 yrs famine Zoser/Imhotep 3rddyn **;
scenes famine Unas 5thdyn;
A king of 9th dyn was Kaneferre (Chenephres?), a famine in his reign.
[7 yrs anarchy / “7 empty yrs” Mentuhotep 4 betw end11-beg12th dyn?;]
[Mentuhotep distributed food/grain 12thdyn (alan montgom/courville/…)?]
[none hungered/none thirsted Amenemhet 1?]
famine Amenemhat Beni Hasn?
“years of famine” Ameny (Senusret1) 12thdyn;
12yrs flood/famine Amenemhet3 12thdyn ***?;
“many years” famine Beba (Seqenenre) c17thdyn ***?;
3 yrs drought/famine/plague Amarna letters (18th dyn) ****.
[13 fatal years (19th-20th dyn)?]

Famines/droughts of Biblical between Noah & Nechoh:
shortage of food after Flood;
(5yrs?) famine Abraham *;
famine Isaac;
7yrs famine Joseph **;
10yrs famine Ruth ***?;
3yrs famine David ****;
3yrs drought/famine Elijah 1Ki18;
dearth Elisha 2Ki4;
great famine Elisha 2Ki6;
7yrs famine Elisha 2Ki8.
3rd/black horseman of apocalypse (6:5-6).

Note: we also have found versions of Joseph’s famine (and of Potiphar’s wife) in traditions of many ancient cultures around the world which verifies the biblical account of global famine as being true (rather than just being due to being stolen from a universal common myth).

Joseph namesakes:
Joseph son of Jacob; [Asaph?]; St Joseph father of Jesus; [Joseph Caiaphas], Joseph of Arminathea, Joseph Barsabas/Justus (Acts), [joses barnabas?]; Flavius Josephus; Emp Franz Joseph (Austria); Josephine Bonaparte; Jose de San Martin; Franz Joseph Haydn, Giuseppe Verdi, Giusepe Garibaldi; Joseph Smith snr/jnr (Mormon), joseph smith fletcher, joseph rouletabille, Joseph Chamberlain; Joseph Stalin; Joseph Goebbels; Joseph Mengale, holy joe, Judge Joseph F Crater, Joseph Campbell; Michael Yusuf/Yussef (modern pastor); Michael Joe Thannisch (priest); Joseph Johannsen (local athelete), Joe Bloggs.

References (* = orthodox academics) :

Joseph refs: damo bullen, ron wyatt, me/Sean, david m rohl, Dr Lennart Moller, Werner Keller, Barbara Walker, holy bible, Flavius Josephus, Peter Sullivan*, [Graham Hancock forum], ‘History detective’/Historum, Alan Alford, H Brugsch-Bey*, rabbi, book of Jashar, book of Asenath, G Massey, Herman Hoeh, Oxford bible concordence*, Wikipedia; Hall of Maat posters; lujack55; Don Courville; AH Sayce*; Grant Jeffrey; stephen compton*; ahmed osman; Christian quotations of pseudo-/Manetho; ; PSBA (1898).

Sekhemhet refs: francesco raffaele ( )*; Ivar Lissner (Living Past); wiki; Historum posters; Alan Alford; peter clayton (chronicle of pharaohs)*; Peter Sullivan*.

Bent pyramid refs: Alan Alford (Phoenix Solution).

Zoser/Imhotep/step pyr refs: Keller; Wyatt; Moller; Sahel/Philae; Clayton; .

Philitis refs: Herodotus

Surid refs: Masoudi; Andrew Tomas (Atlantis).

Rahotep refs: Bey (egypt under the pharaohs); Hall of Maat/Griffiths-Greenberg; Budge; Petrie.

Sokhem/Latopolis refs: j Baike; Josephus.

Pictures for this Joseph article/paper at .


rough considered candidates lists:

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Zaphanath/Zaph(e)nath-Pa(a)neah /zap(h)nat(h)pa’nea(k)h /sapenat/ tsaph(e)nat(h) /Zafenat(h)/zaf’en-ath / “Zaphenenath”/zaf’uh-nath / ‘z/S-p-n(-t)’ / Tsophnath-Pa’neach / zofnat/zoph-ent-pa-ankh (3 parts)
[or “zat(h)nap(h)/Zat-en-aph/S-t-n-p” / ” pa Za p nat neah” (metathesis)?] / pso(n)thom((-)phan(t)ech) name/meaning:
~ se(d)-p-nute(r)-ef-onh?
Gd-dn(-iw.f-‘nh) /Gd-ipt-nt-iw.f-‘nh /Gd-p3-ntr-iw.f-‘nh?
Djed-pa-netjer-iw.f-ankh /D(d)-p’-nt(r)-iw.f-‘nh /dje(d)pa_nute(r) / d(ja)d(u)-naf / Dd-n.f / djad_tu-naf / djat-naf / djed((u)-)en-ef?
t’d / t’f(a) + (m)nt/p(-)nutr / t’f(n(t)) / d’fnt / t’f-nt-pankh?
D-f-n/l-n/l-s / Dafenenas / Dafelelas?
za-p-u-nt-p-a-anch / za-pa-v-nt-pa-aa-ankh?
~ saba Sabani? yonghomph-anhx / jonqehomph-ankh? Sekhem(k)het/Sekhemk(h)et /se(s)chemchet /szehemhet/sejemjet /Sxm-xt / tefnakhte/tnephachthos/stephinat(h)es?* thafneos**? tisithen?** zanakht(e)? Sphinx (4th dyn)? Sneferu/sen-nefer? Apachnas? Saophis Comates “trafficker/getter”**? Zeenabzamin (Ethiopian)? djadja-em-ankh/zaza-m-ankh (a ‘reciter/lector/scribe/priest/magician’, tales of magicians)? Ptah/[Zaph]? sobeknakht/sobeknacht? chephren? thamphthis? iemhetep/imhotep? (se)hotep-nebty? Pete-seph (Cheremon) [reverse elements]? shepseskafankh/5th Abusir? Pa-sebakhaenniut? acesephthres? zeta alpha (pseudo-/Berosus/Syncellus)? za-puna? s3.f n ht.f “of my/his body, his son”?
~ spn/sapan/zaphan “to hide/store up”?* panis “bread”?
~ “a fruitful vine”? “the god speaks, [and] he lives”? “gov of the dist of the place of life”? “he/she who is called”? [“all-comely”?] “the one who has godlike wisdom”? “revealer of secrets”? “cover-uncover”? “stored beautiful rest” / “healer/saviour of the age/world”? “the one who furnishes the sustenance/nourishment of theland/life”? “bread giver of life”? “my provision is god”?

Joseph/Yahuwseph/yosef/yosep/[Asaph] “increaser/adding” :
name: ~ yosep? ya-seph? “jhoseph/imhotep”? tosorthros (healing)? djoserty-ankh? sepa (& neset, 3rd(-4th) dyn)? saophis comates? s(o)uphis (Hoeh)? Osar-siph/Arsu/irsu (Sayce)? Uses? statue User (Knossos 12th dyn)? Inyotef (Rohl)? usaph/usaphais? Djoser/Zoser (Sahel/Philae, B Walker)? yatu [12th]? Yuya? Har-end-yotef? aufni/yufni (13th)? Peteseph (Cheremon)? “Joseph’s canal”? Bent Pyramid associated with St Joseph? Yurugg (Dogon)? Irnefdjesef?
nature/person: ~ sekhemhet? imhotep? serapis? tisithen? bay/bey? shepherd Philitis “lover of righteousness” (4th dyn, Herodotus)? Djedi (at d(j)ed-sneferu, 110 y.o., tales of magicians)? amenophis son of Hapou? “Set” (1st Hermes)? Huy/Huny? mentuhotep (11th dyn, courville)? ptahhotep (Wyatt)?

Panea((k)h)/p-‘-n-h/pa'(e)ne(c)ha/pan-ay’ah /pa’ne(a)ch(a)/phan(t)ech / pso(n)thom(-)phan(t)ech
[or “pa Za p nat neah”?] :
~ (Djoserty-)Ankh? phoenix? Ipu/Ipi(ankh(u)) / ((‘)i)p(i)-(a)n(k)h / ‘ip’ankh’? (e)f-‘ankh / cufankh / pankh? panis “bread”? Ankh (reign Djoser)?

“the all-comely”:
(-titi “come/arrived”?)
Imhotep “comes in peace”?
meaning of Zaphenath? Sekhem-khet “might/powerful (of/inthe) body”?
nfr/nefer “comely/beautiful”?
(k)het “pervading/spread/throughout”?

Peteseph :
~ Potiphera? Zaphenath? Jo-seph? Osar-siph? Imhotep son/succesor of Ptah? Petesuchos? Siptah?

Tisithen :
~ Tithoes? Tjaty/”vizier”? Psothom/Zaphenath? Hartitifin? Ratoises?

Osarsiph :
~ Serapis? Jo-seph? Peteseph? Se-Osiris? Arsu/Irsu? Moses? Bey? osiropis?

Imhotep :
~ Philitis? foreign Joseph? baker? cupbearer? Serapis? Shem? Melchizedek? Potiphar?

Joseph a foreigner/Hebrew:
(-titi “come/arrived”?)
Imhotep “comes in peace”? Philitis?

potipher(a)/powti_phera/po(w)ti(y)_p(h)era(c) poh-tif’uh-ruh/potifera “high priest of On” (&/or saris/”eunuch” potiphar/powtiyphar/pah’tuh-fuhr/potifar “captain of the guard”/”chief executioner” [&/or ‘Potiphar’s wife’]) / Petephoros/Petephres/petepre “gift of the sun / belonging to the sun / one who belongs to Ra”
~ a certain officer “Ra-hotep”/[hotep-ra] (“chief priest of Heliopolis”, “leader of warriors of the monarch”, ca 3rd/4th/5th dyn, Bey)? htp-ren[…]_nebty (inscription in Sekhemhet’s pyramid, 3rd dyn)?* Hotephernebty? Hetephires? Hetepiho/Hetepi?* hetepahaui? Hotep-dif 2nd dyn priest?
Ptah-hotep 5th dyn? Djedefptah? Djedefhor/ Herutataf/hardjedef? Djedefre? ta-di(t)-pre? Pa-rin-bara (“predynastic” tomb inscription, waddell)? pa-di-pa-ra / pa-Di(di)-(p(a-))ra? p’-di-p’r(e)’? puti-pera (“gift sun”)? petoathyrfes/pedo-hathor? P3itnf3′? imhotep? Ptahwer (Amenemhat 3, 12th dyn)? pt/pd / pt-bar / baal/bar (chief of constructions of Ammon under Hyksos / 22nd dyn)? Bata? padjeetif? Peteseph?


names with -hotep last:
rahotep, ra-kha-hetep, Hathorhetepet, Nubhetepet, senusrethotep, aahhotep/ahinoam?, nemhotep, nubhetep, akhethotep, shesmuhotep, neferhotep, Amenhotep.

names with re/ra- / god-name first:
ra-kha-hetep, ra_uben, rauser, ra-khu-taui, ra-sokhem, ra-n-mat, rashepses, rahotep, ramses/ramesses, ressoneb, rakhaf, ra-sxm-wah-xaw, ranofer.

potiphar’s wife “Zelicah/zuleika” :
~ Eylouka (Ethiopian)? queen Dalukah (3rd/4th dyn)? Nefert/Nofret “beautiful/good” (Rahotep’s wife)? Rashaa (Imhotep’s wife)? wife of Uba-aner (tales of the magicians)? Hetephires (wife of pharaoh)? Rhodopis/Rud-didet? Hotephernebty (woman/queen, Djoser)? Htp-ren[…]_nebty (inscription Sekhemhet pyr)? Anpu’s wife (tale of 2 bros)? Iteje?

saris “eunuch”

pharaoh/pharaon (Abraham/Jose/Moses):
~ Kharid/Saurid/Surid/Soris/Seris/Ser/Sharu (3rd/4th dyn, had dream like Pharaoh in Genesis and 300 yrs before flood like 430 yrs in bible, Masoudi)? Zoser/Djoser/Tcheser/T’a-sar/Sesor-tosis (7 yrs famine, Sahel/Philae / Keller/Walker/Wyatt)? sneferu? huny?
“a.per?.a.p?.p?.?”/Aaperti? pr-‘3 (pr “house” & ‘3 “column”)?
“Great house”? pharaohs/gods Menes-Shishak/Seti (Josephus/Herodtus/Newton)? king Pheros (Herodotus)? Faro (Bambara)? [roeh] “shepherd”? late? Apophis (pseudo-/Manetho)? serekh/building? building/menes? pyramid? Pirua (Peru)? pra- (Indian)? se-ra? waddell? late/later? baron? Phoroneus? Pharamond? Farouk?


~ Arsinoe (near “Joseph’s canal” and ‘bent pyramid’)? Sethet/Sethtet (daughter/child of Ra-hotep, sibling of Djedi)? Achethotep (“son of Rahotep”)? Achetaa? Sen-nebty &/or Djeseretnebti (Sekhemhet pyramid, some think it is the name of Sekhemhet’s queen)? Aso (wife of Typhon)? Isis? Sais? Ahinoam? Rashaa (wife Imhotep)? Ash_Nin-i/lady_Ash/Ha (“predynastic” tomb inscripton, Waddell)? “Queen’s Pyramid” (Bent Pyramid satellite)? Aswan? ns/ns-nt/nes-neit/(n)(e)s-n(ei)t/sneit/Neith (11th-18th)? iu.s-en-neit / ius-en-at/i(w)s(n)nt/ as(-)en-neit /as-en-at? Acanthus (near Bent Pyramid/Dahshur)? Neset (& Sepa, 3rd dyn)? cp nes-bended/smendes? heni? nisuteh/nswth/nswt_h_(w)/swtenh? akhetaa? Sati/Satet (Sahel/Philae)? 22nd dyn? Atet (& Nefer-Maat)? Serach daughter of Asher (Rabbinic)? Aswan (Sahel/Philae)? (sit-hathor-)yunet? As-t_Tem? Het-Senter? Asherah? Athena? n hwt nswt “the royal wife”?

~ Seshem… (city, Huny)? ramses 2? name ramses found in 3rd/4th dyn site (Hoeh)? se-ra? Mesoc(h)ris (dyn 2/3)? moscheres? word Pyramid? Ramses before Cheops in Herodotus? Armiyses? Mesir (Memphis/Cairo)? rayosis? Rimush? Remus? Musare?

Jacob/Israel ~ Khaba (3rd/4th dyn)? khaibawsokar? shepherd Philitis “lover of righteousness” (Giza, 4th dyn, Herodotus)? imhotep? ka-aper (sheik el beled)? Khufwey/Khufu/Cheops? khabaw(13)? asher? Yakobaam/Yakob-her/Apachnan (through link of Hyksos/Anysis with captive shepherds/Philitis/Pyramid Builders/Unas)? yakbim (14)?

[jacob’s ladder ~ step pyramid (TRR Welling)?]

7 yrs plenty:
~ Surid’s “flood”?
sphinx torrential rain marks (Schoch)?
“In Nephercheres’ reign Manetho records that the Nile flowed with honey [for 11 days] — not literally, but figuratively, as the land of Palestine was to flow with milk and honey — great prosperity”?
lower half of bent pyramid (Alford)?
giant fennel branch on top of Sekhemhet sarcophagus? chnubos/gneuros “gold/prosperity”?

7 plenty & famine:
– 2 halves of the bent pyramid?
– “flood” & “fire” of Surid (Masoudi)?
– 14 years for which name of king is lost Eratosthenes?
– 13 fatal years (19th/20th)?
4th dyn pyramid name “cool”?

Joseph’s famine/scarcity
– “Lonnie G. Thompson of Ohio State University and his colleagues found a dust spike preserved in a Peruvian mountain glacier that marks “a major drought” in the Amazon Basin about 2200 B.C., give or take 200 years.”?
– Egyptian wheat found in Lake Dwellings built on dried up lake shores (western neolithic contemp with merimde in egypt)?
– Danubians did/n’t discover that fields exhaust/revitalise after being cultivated/left for 7 years?
– parched/famine/drought of Athamas (2 wives, golden fleece legend)?
– in reign of atys son of manes the whole of lydia suffered from a famine?
– Greek: “During the 7 yrs that followed not a drop of rain fell in Thera, & every tree on the isl, except 1, withered & died” (Herodotus)?
– Egyptian wheat found in Lake Dwellings (neolithic) built on dried up lake shores?
– Djoser’s 7 yr drought/famine?
– Surid’s “fire”?
– lean upper half of bent pyramid (cp Alford)?
– famine scenes of Unas’ which are beside Sekhemhet’s complex.
– grain storage bins at step pyramid and buried pyramid.
~ 2 predynastic droughts between Ice Age and Dynastic (Cambridge Anc Hist)?*
– heqanakht [famine]?
– legend of Khenmu 7 year famine?
– bk of Dead 7 cows/7 sheafs?
– predict 3 dooms by 7 hathors/cows?
– Egypt: “The Myth of the Heavenly Cow speaks of a great famine, which necessarily entails a failure of the inundation and the death of the population because they had no fresh water to drink.”
~ Myth of Hathor & Sekhmet slaying men = “plagues & starvation which accompan the dry season immediately preceeding the rise of the river.”
~ ankhtifi “all of upper Egypt was dying of hunger…”?
– hungryrock: ‘…Because Hapy [the river god] had failed to come in time in a period of seven years. Grain was scant, kernels were dried up, scarce was every kind of food…’
– Shu (hot/dryness) & Tefnut (moisture)?
– 7 steps sekhemhet pyr?
– the king scholars correspond with sekhemhet reigned 6/7 years?
– global atmosphere of 4th dynasty (Great Pyramid geodesy & boat etc)?
– Ethiopian: “the country that Anayer had come from had been afflicted by 7 yrs of famine (Hancock).
– Faro [Pharaoh?] (vs Teliko/desert wind) came to earth after long period of drought during which most living things died (Bambara/African, M Jordan)? – 7comet orbits (Velikovsky)?
– 7 days creation Astarte?
– epic of Gilgamesh bull of heaven 7 yrs (about same time)?

Joseph & potiphar’s wife
– Slav: “His wife was attracted to Ilya and commanded that he come to her, on pain of her complaining to Svyatogor of discourtesy.”
– Greek/Classical/Roman: chaste Virbius spurned love of women, Aphrodite stung by his scorn, disdained stepmother Phaedra, she falsely accused him to his father, sea-god sent bull from waves (G Frazer).
– Classical: bellerophon & anteia K Proitos wife; hippolytus & phaedra; peleus & astydamia/cretheis wife of K Acastos.
– Egyptian version: “the tale of two brothers” (Bata and Anpu’s wife, date 6th dyn/mid kdm?), (Keller, .)
– Uba-aner’s wife (Tales of the Magicians)?
– eshmun pursued by astronoe;
[- Phoenic: Aqhat refuses to give bow to the goddess (tho not quite the same), (Larouse)?]
– Combabus solicited by [Syria-Dea?] (refs Lucian, G Massey.) *
– gilgamesh & ishtar?
– North Amer-Ind: Akaiyan & Nopatsis wife [also even with a Benjamin parallel], (L Spence).

dream Pharaoh:
dream Surid? bk of Dead 7 cows/7 sheafs? predict 3 dooms by 7 hathors/cows?

land of Gos(h)en/goson / Gesem (LXX/Sept) / Kessan (Artapanus) (“place of light/plenty/comfort”, “best of the land”, land of Rameses) :
~ (cp Gozan?) giza/gizeh/er-ges-her “beside the high” (pyramids, philitis, Herodotus, A Room, roughly modern Cairo)? (cp Gaza?) So-khem/Sekhem/Sehem/khem / Ausim/Usim/Ashim (Latopolis, josephus, Baike)? [Sekhem/Khesem/Khesm “the secret shrine/most holy place/holy of holies” (Bey)?] Skhem? Sekhem (town of Sapti (1st dyn)/Senta (2nd dyn))? Kakem (city-governor of Sneferu)? Seshem… (city, Huny)? Seshem-tawy (Delta)? town of u-shesem? Sesen (s/k, sh/kh intchge)? Feshn (kh/f intchge)? kesem/kes 6 mi east of Bubastis? gasmu (tribe arabs)?
Faqus/fakus/Phacussa/Qesem (city/nome, Rohl)? Goseir/Qoseir (n/r intchge), Gosu/Cusae (“too far south”), Gesy/Qus, Kush/Kesh, Mt Kasios/Casius? Khesun/Xois/Kaset? Kahun? ro-henet/lahun/labyrinth? Hosan? Dahshur? Usheru/Ousherou (el-arish inscription/’Horus vs enemies of Re’)?

70 souls come with Jacob:
~ 72 conspirators with Set condemn Osiris? 70 kings 70 days 7th dynasty? Sekhemhet pyramid slope 72 degrees? 72 degrees to e-w alignment of Dahshur & Giza pyrs? “pyramid built 73,300 years ago”? 74 degrees Meydum pyr now? Djoser pyramid slope 75 degrees? 75 names Ra?

cupbearer/butler “Merod”:
~ imhotep? thafneos?

baker ~ thafneos? imhotep?

(ephraim &) manasseh/mandonkeyeh
~ amuneshi/ amuneneschi (12th)?
manat? metjen? menelik? (asher &) mentu/mentyw? menkaure? 2 sons Pepi?

ephraim (& manasseh)
~ asher (& mentu/mentyw)? nefermaat (& atet, meydum)? pehernefer? [ephratha]? habiru?

~ bedjmes?

sera(c)h bat/daughter of asher (in Rabbinic tradition/Talmud/Midrash Joseph was buried in/under the Nile, and Moses was helped to find Joseph’s coffin by a woman named Serach daughter of Asher) :
~ se-Ra/sa-Re “son of the sun”? Ser/Seris/Surid? Djoser/Zoser/Tcheser/T’a-sar? Asenath/Asherah? Serapis (Imhotep/Sakkarah)? saris “eunuch”? serekh? Rashaa (wife Imhotep)? Dahshur?

430 years : Surid who had a dream like Pharaoh was 300 years before the “Flood”. (This latter “Flood” may be either the sothaic of senusret 3, or 12yrs flood of Amenemhet, or exodus/Red sea crossing, or Atlantis sinking (all 12th dynasty).)
The events in the legend/story of Horus (Behdeti/of Edfu) versus adversaries of Re(-Harakhty) (which is like exodus) are said to have taken place in the 356th/363rd year of reign of Ra/Re-Harakhty. (Ra’s reign starts from 3rd/4th/5th dynasty.)
372 bits pectoral Sithathoryunet? 440 yrs TDD (Irish)?
Rohl’s “Joseph (11th-)12th dyn” and “Moses (12th-)13th dyn” can’t both be so close together.
Compare “480 yrs = 12 generations of 40 years”.
– [“10 generations reach from Joshua back to Ephraim: Joseph ~ 1667; Ephraim ~1647; Beriah ~1627; Repham ~1607; Resheph ~1587; Telah ~1567; Tahan ~1547; Laadan ~1527; Ammihud ~1507; Elishama ~1487; Nun ~1467; Joshua ~1447”.]
– (Flood was in am 1656.) Jewish traditon says exode was in 2666 anno mundi.
– “15 generations sothaic cycle / 443 years” before 16th dynasty (after “8 demigods / 217 years”) in [Syncellus?]?
– 500 years to Moses/Azrail?
– 4th dynasty prophesied to last 150 years [half of 300 like 215 half of 430?]

viz(i)er (tjaty/t3ty):
Djoser-ty(-Ankh)? Djoser-Teti/Djoser-Tety (“Sekhemhet”)? Teti/teta/ttij? t’at’ai/djadjay/tchatchai/zazay? tyet (Imhotep)? tisithen? “from earliest times viziers and other officials of important rank held the sekhem [scepter]” [Sekhemhet]? Imhotep’s title is almost identical to Joseph’s in bible? Sekhemhet originally an “unknown” “king/pharaoh”? giant fennel branch on Sekhemhet sarcophagus similar to feather/fan of viziers (like Huy)?
{viziers: joseph [3rd/4th dyn], imhotep (3), vizier Ipa, rahotep/(pa)rahotep (17), ptahhotep (5), vizier Bay/Irsw (19/20).}

~ 120/132 [grain] storage containers at Sekhemhet’s “pyramid” (Lissner); grain storage bins at Zoser’s step pyramid (grain kernels were found in them, Wyatt)? models of granaries in Old Kdm tombs ([Keller?])? store rooms around pre/early dynastic tombs (Wyatt, cp Waddell etc). Labyrinth? [Surid’s “storehouse”?] vast quantity of stone vases under step pyramid? pyramids?

high priests:
aclimon (3rd/4th), rahotep (3rd/4th/5th), potiphera, jannes/jambres.

not mentioned because maybe how they were considered at the time?
ramp of Sekhemhet’s “buried pyramid”? In the tales of the magicians, in the story of Djedi there are vehicles that might be interpreted as chariots (4th dyn)? herodotus says the chariots were lost in time of Sesostris (12th dyn). The ramps of the 11th dynasty terrace temple of Mentuhotep 1 (&/or Deir-el-Bahri) might also be related (pics Clayton)?
Wheel-like symbols in FIP/MK pictures?

not buried in Egypt:
sekhemhet sarcophagus empty, bent pyr empty,
sobeknakht broken/empty, imhotep not found/known.

shekels/silver pieces:
(Joseph sold for money a type of Jesus sold for money.)

110/centenarian (Jacob, Jose, Moses, Joshua):
king Pepy/Phiops (6th) dynasty was a centenarian. centenarians/110-year-olders in OK (eg Djedi the 4th dyn magician lived 110 yrs).
110 yrs “perfect old age”.
soliman “an elderly man prob died in his 90s”?

isrir, Herusha, Asiatics FIP.
shephred Philitis of 4th dyn?
captive shepherds? Hyksos/king shepherds? Set(h)? Aamu? “lepers”? Shut? Shasu? Shemsu? Asher? Mentu (“Manasseh”)? Rom(t)? amelut sagaz Mesh / Habiru? Namu?

Bent Pyramid:
attributed to time of about Sneferu (3/4 dyn).
(why Sneferu allegdedly had 2 or 3 pyramids?)

abrech/abrek “bow the knee” : ab b ton? ka-aper (4th dyn)? Repa/Erpa?

adn/adon : horemhib?

“Apophis” (pseudo-Berosus):
Apepi (Hyksos?) Pepy? Saophis? Souphis? Anpu? Apis/Serapis? Osiropis? Apachnan? Zaphenath? Athothis? Epaphos? 1st Hermes Set?

God/Yhwh/I Am/El:
son/succesor of Ptah/Thoth? Im(-hotep)? son of Ra? Nuk pa Nuk? Neter? Set? Iahu? Aton? Khnum?